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200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby DBX » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:15 pm

Anyone know why prices, secondhand obviously for Nissan silvia/200sx are really expensive compared to Altezza / Lexus IS200/300 ?? not technically minded about 200sx/silvia only they are RWD, fast, tuning potential ? and handling ?? looks are nice too but so is Altezza, atleast tuning potential on RS200 if not AS200 & second hand prices on these cars are quite cheap, nothing compared to Nissans ! even my IS200 53k miles 04 year be quite cheap what with the IS recently in the 3rd gen model, I seen few S15 about 70/80ish k miles for near enough 10k GBP that's about 11,690 euros for that money you can get (atleast in UK) a very low mileage quite new Nissan 350z and Lexus IS250, s15 good cars but is it that good? I know what I pick and no im not thinking of getting a S15 or 200sx, more realistically next car maybe IS250 or 350z not for a while though ! :)

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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby AgtX » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:59 am

200sx/Silvia is more popular, I think they are the same car but with different names apart from the S15 which was only sold in Japan which has 250bhp. Not many people know what an Altezza RS200 is, that its a lot more powerful than the IS200, most people think my car is just an IS200 without the Lexus badge.
IS200 seems to have been marketed as a sort junior-executive saloon for middle aged men with understated bumpers & everything, while it appears the Altezza in Japan was marketed as a lot more sporty with aggressive kits & addons available from the dealer & a screaming high revving engine, probably because the Altezza was a Japanese touring car.

So I don't think its surprising that theres not a lot of UK demand apart from the people who know about JDM, S15's are brilliant but are still being held to ransom at £9000+ even though they are over 13 years old, I don't think its worth the price.
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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby suislide » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:36 pm

AgtX wrote:200sx/Silvia is more popular, I think they are the same car but with different names apart from the S15 which was only sold in Japan which has 250bhp. Not many people know what an Altezza RS200 is, that its a lot more powerful than the IS200, most people think my car is just an IS200 without the Lexus badge.
IS200 seems to have been marketed as a sort junior-executive saloon for middle aged men with understated bumpers & everything, while it appears the Altezza in Japan was marketed as a lot more sporty with aggressive kits & addons available from the dealer & a screaming high revving engine, probably because the Altezza was a Japanese touring car.

So I don't think its surprising that theres not a lot of UK demand apart from the people who know about JDM, S15's are brilliant but are still being held to ransom at £9000+ even though they are over 13 years old, I don't think its worth the price.

i have both an rs 200 and an s14 silvia to be honest the altezza is an awful lot slower than the s14,im in the process of putting a 1j into the tezza coz im bored with its 205bhp it will then have 300hp pretty much standard but i agree about the altezza looks wise their a good looking car.........

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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby AgtX » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:24 pm

well, 2.0 with turbo will beat 2.0 N/A, I think the Toms version Altezza beats the S14 though haha. Looks wise on S14, I couldn't have a pre facelift one, facelift is much nicer!
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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby mike_01 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:49 pm

Japanese tent to call them silvia's just some tend to call them that same as 200sx and s14

Don't standard silvia's have around 200bhp and that's the turbo'd one can't remember as was a while ago, would have thought a good well looked after standard tezz and silvia would be more or less the same with the tezz having better bottom to mid range and the silvia having better mid to top end range was looking for a silvia before the tezza but obviously tezza won :lol:

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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby AgtX » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:29 pm

Thought Altezza power was all up top with the VVTi, well I hope so cause mine is a bit sluggish until 3000rpm or so & it brings out the power. I thought S14 was 220bhp, although theres probably not many stock S14s left in the world lol
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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby mike_01 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:51 pm

altezza does but a turbo'd car has more :wink: also altezza won't suffer from lag like the silvia

2 links to compare not sure how accurate but looking at them seem pretty much the same and when looking do remember they were very similar, s15 though would beat both hands down at 247 for spec r :wink:
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/ ... ?car=78738
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/ ... ?car=34265
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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby DBX » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:55 pm

Yes silvia/200sx is same, interesting I remember reading up that the S15 was sold officially in aus/nz as the 200sx that's probably only place in the world besides japan to sell them officially, and there is a NA one spec-s something ?? only 160bhp ?? these silvia S15's 11+ years old, TBH don't think is worth 10k GBP !!! I saw a super rare varietta convertible model on ebay NA model, almost 13k gbp !! :shock: & a 1992 s13 with s2000 rear lights 5K gbp !!! modifications don't even look good :roll:

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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby suislide » Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:54 am

AgtX wrote:well, 2.0 with turbo will beat 2.0 N/A, I think the Toms version Altezza beats the S14 though haha. Looks wise on S14, I couldn't have a pre facelift one, facelift is much nicer!


if you take a look on good luggage on facebook my zenki s14 is on it they did an article on it 2 weeks ago let me know what you think haha.....

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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby AgtX » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:51 am

The S15 Spec S is not much good with 160bhp & I hear the Spec R is a lot better in every aspect, not just an added turbo & so the Spec S are cheap because there is little demand for them, anyone who goes looking for an S15 will know they want the Spec R.

I like the aggressive badboy bonnet on the facelift S14 to the rounded bonnet on the pre-facelift.
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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby mike_01 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:15 pm

The s14 are all imports from japan the s14a are uk spec car's for some reason they have very slight difference in the equipment they have, don't think the uk had the s14 with the rounded face and same I don't think japan had the s14a with badboy look may be wrong but just from experience and when I was looking/researching for them never seen an imported s14a and same as
I haven't seen 1 s14 which isn't an import unless which I have seen they have had a front and rear end conversion

spec r is to go for has a lot more optional extra as standard, same as the skylines with the spec
and similar idea to the altezza having the as200 and rs200 version

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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby AgtX » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:52 pm

270R is the super rare best factory version of the S14, all Nismo tuned.

I read that the S15 Spec S is basically an S14 minus the turbo, whereas the Spec R is a different beast. Gearbox, engine, chassis, brakes..everything upgraded but you could buy the Spec S, tune it to be faster & handle better than a stock Spec R & still be under the Spec R asking price. Downside would be insurance costs & trying to sell it on afterwards.
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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby DBX » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:27 pm

Hmm im very sure 99.9% that UK and japan both got the S14 and s14a, s14a being facelift 200sx/silvia with the not so rounded front lights?? only reason is back in the days I remember seeing these cars at nissan stand at british motorshow when there was actually decent fun cars about unlike last 6+ years where there been huge amount of boring suv's / hatches and diesel cars and decrease in coupes/high performance cars :roll: I seem to remember reading the Nismo 270R too, didn't know it was limited edition. If you think the NA 200sx/silvia didn't have enough power then i guess you wouldnt like the USDM 240SX :) they didn't get the S15 surprisingly !

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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby mk2glenn » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:38 am

DBX wrote:Hmm im very sure 99.9% that UK and japan both got the S14 and s14a, s14a being facelift 200sx/silvia with the not so rounded front lights?? !

You are correct

S14s are more expensive because they're more powerful, with more potential & they're are far less S14s about then Altezzas. If I could have afforded an S body I'd have bought 1 for sure.

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Re: 200sx/silvia prices vs IS/Altezza prices

Postby daveo » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:45 pm

whole reason that there is a price difference is that the country has been flooded out with altezzas that there are so many of them for sale. the 200 being an english car and the s14 being a jap car they are a more drift style car so more and more are being broke for parts every day. another reason is the huge power difference and ratio of weight and power in the car. ive had the whole lot of them. altezza s14 s14a and had an s15 r last year. my 14a was 255b hp with standard turbo.got it remapped with nothing extra and got it up to 279bhp boosting at .9. so cheap to get more power out of them. at the end of the day the altezza is a 4 door saloon where as the silvias are 2 door sport cars so that in itself would suggest a price difference :)


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